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The relationship between Clinton and Bentsen was quite unusual. As I recall the campaign of 1992, there were lots of policy debates amongst the Democrats. If you look at the history of American reform, at that scale of change, usually you have a little bit more consensus than a 43 percent electoral. I think theres a wonderful tradition in American government where the outgoing administration typically does everything it can to assist the incoming one, and that was certainly true with the [Gerald] Ford administration. I may have attended a few meetings, but I only began to be immersed in healthcare after the Presidents plan passed and I became the Treasury person on the Hillary Clinton healthcare task force. There was very little interest in that. I also think it is wrong politically. Thats a different issue. I sat next to Mrs. Clinton at dinner. I just never took him seriously as a candidate. He had just made it through this cliffhanging vote on which the administrations credibility for the next several years, I think, would largely depend, and it depends on the support of overwhelming shares of Democrats in the House and the Senate to get through. It was going to be a different kind of animal. I can recall David Halberstam on the way out saying to me that he never heard a politician as effective as Clinton since JFK [John Fitzgerald Kennedy]. No. It was really only when Erskine Bowles became Deputy Chief of Staff that a structure began to be built around Clinton that enabled all those processes to become more organized. He talked about a middle-class tax cut and, of course getting the economy moving. That was absolutely true also of Secretary Brady and all of his people, couldnt have been more cooperative. I wouldnt necessarily accept that. It got more organized as 92 unfolded. Clintons that way. Then it went down to defeat. I then had the brilliant ideaIm saying this, obviously sarcastically, that I should inform the White House what those procedural alternatives were. I was asked a second time to do it on the healthcare. There was a lot of effort and a lot of meetings. If you read Putting People First, first of all it was domestic policy as a whole, it was not just economic policy. Well, the war room, first of all, was operated quite differently from the National Economic Council. A little bit. There was quite a discussion that day about long-term interest rates, as I said the credit markets rather than the Fed. Clinton, as I mentioned before, held a series of marathon meetings, I recall that virtually all of them were on the Roosevelt Room, and they went on for four, five, six, seven hours, talking about possible elements of the economic program. The next thing is a free-trade agreement, which I think the President could have dodged, he didnt have to go all out on that. I mean, by that time, the group that was advising him on economic policy had become reasonably well set. I wasnt involved in any of the delegate-related strategies, no. That was the all-time low for the dollar. So I knew early on, but only because Lloyd Bentsen was in effect telling me. Youre in such a good position to give us a comparative portrait of transitions internally. The election occurred and about a week later Reagan was getting a haircut in California and he came out of the barbershop. Im Gary Burtless. They began to mount quite a drumbeat of Republican outcry to the effect that it was the responsibility of the RTC to unilaterally extend that statute of limitations on the theory that it would be wrong to let the Clintons off the hook, and the RTC had the power to do that. Well, yes, Carter tried a version of that. What was different about it was that it worked, because most of them had been somewhat dysfunctional. That wasnt a very long meeting. The second was the evolution of the deficit estimates during that period. By and large, most of the members of the Finance Committee in the Senate and the Ways and Means Committee in the House. Lets step back and just recall who the members of the senior economic team were because there was an entire team of people doing this. It was excellent. So in the early period, Id have to go back and look at when the President laid the legislation forward, but I want to say it was first of March or something like that. Were there Republican members that he particularly relied on. They talked all the time. Is it okay if we move away from the crisis of getting the big things through to just the more mundane ways that the government ran while you were there? Well, that was just one of the many fatal diseases that this bill had. If Im not mistaken, we were looking at a $350 billion deficit, up from about $260 or something that we had been generally using during the campaign. Youve been good to give us so much time. and I had no previous knowledge of it at all. Did that debate begin as early as August? Well, if you think about spending initiatives that you could take today that are politically imaginable, they amount to a hill of beans in a $10.7 trillion economy. Id actually done that precise role before, in 1976, obviously at a much different age, but I was put in charge of the Treasury transition at that time. The Putting People First document, is it fair to characterize that as the menu choices that the administration was going to be making when it took office, but that there was not a great deal of attention at this point on priorities from among the elements in the menu? Anyway, that was the high point, by far, of my own service, both in terms of the drama and the sense of having contributed something important. Once you get NAFTA behind you, my guess is that there were further discussions at that point about what ought to be next and this is when healthcare becomes a priority. Theres some story that he demanded a commission on entitlement reform as a price. So most of what you were doing was drawing from the people who would not have been supportive of Cuomo in any event. He didnt think much of the Btu tax. We believed our model would attract the most talented senior finance professionals to our firm. This is just a tradition, The answer is, in my viewthis is just my recollection now, other people would have a different onewas economics first, foreign policy second. Whether you had disagreements with him or not, or felt warmly or less warmly toward him or not, he gave you the opportunity to do it, whether youre a Cabinet officer or anybody else. I recall a large event, right after New Years, the fourth of January I believe, in 92, that I organized at their request, which was just simply to have a large number of people listen to Clinton give a speech. But Clinton did care quite a bit about it. There were so many different Japanese Prime Ministers in that period I cant remember which one we had at that moment. I can even imagine an independent counsel of some kind being unlikely, but not impossible, designated in the whole weapons of mass destruction issue. Mike Blumenthal, the first Secretary of the Treasury, knew, but he didnt have a close relationship with Carter. But, first, right at the outset, it was a terribly flawed idea to have a full-time member of the administration serving also as the head of an independent regulatory agency and that should have dawned on me in the earliest going, just the inherent conflict there. WebRoger Altman: Formerly deputy Treasury secretary, Altman resigned Aug. 29, 1994 following revelations he tipped the White House off to criminal referrals made by Was that true of Georgetown at the time that you were there? He is also a trustee of New York-Presbyterian Hospital, serving on its finance committee. So the Congress decided to hold hearings on all aspects of Whitewater and, as everybody remembers, everyone from Maggie Williams to Harold Ickes to everybody had to testify. I dont know. I did. Youd seen him working with domestic policy issues and with members of Congress and support here. I take these observations, very astute observations, from people who live in this discipline. Im not sure that was what they originally intended, I suppose it was, but I wasnt involved in the planning of the summit, I just went to it and had a role on one of the panels and sat around for a couple of days, really. Might have been established by Washington. Well, nobody took more pain up front than Ronald Reagan. Ive never either been attracted to that approach nor felt that it was an effective one. I ran three times for student office while I was there. Did the portfolio members that you were approaching on NAFTA change from the work you were doing. I cant recall what year it was but it was in the late 80s, and now its seven or eight thousand, actually up toward nine, but has more or less slid ever since. He said, Its up to you. Gene Sperling was in it. Wed have these meetings; they became eventually more organized than that first set of meetings. So if you survey the 50 most senior people who ever served in the Clinton administration, about 25 of them will say welfare reform was a great triumph for the President, about 25 of them will say he just caved. Yes. If you can think of a great President, a President who is seen as really great, who didnt have such a crisis, Id like to hear it, because I dont think there is one. It was after all largely negotiated by his predecessors, and yet he took a big gamble on that one, too, and thats sort of a kick in the midsection to a lot of his Democratic supporters. Lets face it, NAFTA has worked. Was it his personality? I put the President on the phone with her and of course, she cast the decisive vote. The bigger gamble then was, as you say, the long term, the response in the long-term credit markets, whats going to happen, and that, I take it, is where Allen Blinders. Some people thought they were misguided. More has been made of that than should be. The Senate Finance Committee is the most powerful committee, Bentsen had been chairman for quite a few years, was seen universally as a very effective, powerful chairman. I dont think thats a very good answer to your question, but I dont think I have a better one. Fortunately Secretary Bentsen said, No, not fine. The number of possible votes at that stage had dwindled down to a tiny number, votes that were undecided. Of course, I met with the senior ATF guys. Yes, but Mack was entirely averse to confrontation and played a completely backstage role in these things, which is not really what a President needs. So it could be revived again tomorrow. Bentsen tended to say very little at those meetings except at the end, when Clinton would turn to Bentsen and say, What would you do, Lloyd? So he chose someone who not only had a great reputation and tremendous stature, but who could particularly help him with Congress, and it was a shrewd choice. But was it a battle? The second point is the nature of the key individuals chosen. I can recall that we had a fundraiser. It was hard to make any progress at all because the Japanese really didnt want to agree to any of this. What are the lasting accomplishments, the lasting legacies of this administration, regardless of whether the historians are going to pick up these strains as being historically important or flamboyantly important enough to elevate Clinton into an upper- echelon Presidency? But as to whether it was an innovation, I doubt it. Was Bernard Nussbaum involved in the financing in this early period? Thats one of the things that kind of surprises. Why didnt that work, from your perspective? I recall taking maybe one or two trips with him outside New York, mostly just for my own enjoyment, to see what it was like. A group of four of us were named at the same time: Bentsen, Rubin, [Leon] Panetta, and myself. Perhaps history will give Clinton credit for having been the man who made welfare reform happen. He also had primary responsibility for Blackstones international business. I sat there for two or three hours and he took the measure of me and at the end he said, Would you like to do this? I think Bush inspires greater loyalty than Clinton, just does. Was this your first opportunity? I went to Wall Street after the University of Chicago, and then after seven years on Wall Street, I went into the [Jimmy] Carter administration as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury. I know this will sound quite strange, but Clinton was in some awe of Bentsen and a little bit of fear of Bentsen. Toward the end it was all about these four names or these six names and how do we get their votes. But in retrospect he basically decided in his simple-minded way that he was going to grind the Soviet Union right into the dust, and he did. I know Bentsen, especially in retrospect I know Bentsen. Well, about ten minutes later President Clinton called me. I direct the Presidential Oral History Program at the Miller Center. I wasnt sitting all by myself with him, but sure, there were various opportunities to be in relatively small groups with him. Did you think that they took those claims seriously, or was this pure politics? I was elected twice vice president of my class. So, the decision-making process was more than a bit chaotic, and the decision on the energy taxes was reflective of that. There are extremes here. I do believe it was able to make a difference. So I knew a little bit about what was worth doing and what wasnt. I believe it was a five-year statute of limitations and the expiration date was January 94 or February or something like that. No, but it wasnt just entirely that. Then President Clinton went out on the balconythe front porch of the White House, on the Pennsylvania Avenue side, and had a press conference. I appreciate that and I think youve done us a big favor today by illuminating that. We had a chronic problem with Japan because they had so many Prime Ministers. Then, of course, he became chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, which is the most powerful single position in the Congress other than Majority Leader, and some would say it is more powerful, and ran the committee with an iron hand. Its early 94 and the process on the healthcare initiative begins. Were there things about those campaigns that you had learned in preparation for this one that proved to be particularly helpful? For example, Putting People First was reissued, I believe in June of 92. But that battle was resolved in favor of the revolution, the most sweeping alternative, and I dont really have a lot to add beyond whats been written. So were in a partisan phase. Bentsen only talked to about five or six Senators. Clinton loves meetings like that. There were probably 25 major separate deals negotiated to win the passage. 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