GODWINS LAW has spoken. All this, all this bickering and finger-pointing and anger (justified though it may be), all of this is just part of a drama. Its almost as funny as the mental contortions of those who try to defend it. We should storm heaven with prayers for his conversion. Wow, forgive me for being uncharitable but the level of willful stupidity exhibited by Whites supporters in this thread is staggering. Calvin was a scholar of the early church. White came across as one of conspiracy fundamentalists. So one can not simply wipe their hands of the deal and flippantly reply: Meh, hes saved. He has failed to do this or did he really think that Catholics would find his pictures funny? Dr. James White & Keith Giles, First Lutheran Church, 1311 Holman St., Houston, Texas 77004, The Death of Joseph Ratzinger, the Eternal Covenant in the London Baptist Confession, New Year Laws in California Show Deep Commitment to the Culture of Death, What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Quran, The Textus Receptus as the Word of God is Equal to the New Testament Autographs. Unless for some reason I swam the Tiber and didnt know it, then I couldnt be the one in a mob frenzy, as Im not exactly in the majority here. If charity regards generosity and forbearanceand it doesthen Akins post (a) should not have displayed such an overt appeal to the emotions of his readership, (b) but should have displayed logical impassivity with a concerted effort to interact with White about the images. We deserve it as a badge of honor or a crown of glory and we should wear it with dignity and pride. People are acting like all that was said what the trent comment. your inability and/or unwillingness to suppose that the world is larger than you are, that God is larger than you are He allows those who do not repent to choose freely to go to hell. And this after washing his hands of us and coming back. How could he lead so many astray? His arguments appear as a patter of weak hands against the door of the Church, not sure if they are thrusting away or bidding entrance. If that mantle fell from the Germans onto another race it would be a welcome respite Might want to go back to the start of it to follow the argument, rather than going off on tangents. Join Facebook to connect with James R. White and others you may know. Because I dont really think its worth the time. Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. Until he does, however, it is simply silly of us to even engage in discussion with him or with any of you who think that those pictures are defensible. A moment of nostalgia: this reminds me of the old late 90s Catholic Converts Message Board (tan background)when you could watch the board scroll with new comments on a particularly energizing topic. For a man who believes in a savior who saves perfectly and not one who simply tries to save but fails and one who believes that all that the Father gives will be found by Jesus; in other words, those who will be saved must be saved regardless of what anyone does. CB, Let me get this straight, J: Maybe well get a little agreement in there as well from time to time. The communication barrier betwixt us is real and severe. What answers can be given except the councils, the fourth century, the documents from it, and the canon that we and you accept? So you decided, in your judgment, it told you to? CareBear: Whose fruit is cavalierly dismissing a protest of injustice? (Stuffed animals notwithstanding..). They drop ad hominems out of nowhere, probably because they cant give a substantial answer to the points raised and so express displeasure by throwing mud. This does not mean that White does not know anything. I didnt say it wasnt needed later on. (But what a nice thread it would make, hint hint). So if the above questions about divine revelation of the proper canon of scripture were answered by White elsewhere in his book, then explain itdont just say you need to read his book. How does this man feed? They were borrowed from a previous post of his involving Salmon Rushdie and, as such, were perfectly appropriate in the context of what he had to say. James White Has Completely Lost It. Wish more folks who find a wrong in such a thing would do it. Obviously I was unclear. Are Temples Consistent with NT Christianity? Thats it. Wayne, you make several good observations. Dont you? Please read Jimmys post found here. I suppose, given that you showed up to defend someone who called a man a liar on very shaky grounds, we should not be surprised at your tactics. Yet another substance-impaired snit. There, we finally come to the point Ive been hoping to reveal all along Minor arguments would have been resolved by the awesome power of the Holy Spirit bearing witness to the true Canon, and history would witness to the fact that most Christians just spontaneously/miraculously agreed on the texts of the scriptures themselves. He can think youre going to hell and still treat you as decent human beings. If youve already said your list of books is divinely inspired, then you (i.e. Thats what I couldnt quite understand Oh, so this post here is nothing but a CHEAP DEBATE TACTIC from Jimmy Akin???? All other points aside whether the admonishing was truly needed or not is irrelevant. Apologetics is the giving of a logical defense, yet Ive seen little of that. Lets see if we cant tone things down and get back to some reasonable discussion on the issues. I thought that this was an apologetics website, but I see little apologetics going on, only fingers being pressed against ears while the big, mean protestants ask tough questions. (Rom 13:13) Not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and impurities, not in strife and envying; but put you on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh in its concupiscences. No futher wished I to read, nor was there need to do so. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers. Declare it as being such a malicious act of deception, condemning those responsible for the act. Its like watching Howard Dean all over again. Unfortunately for us though, Mr. White seems to demonstrate a less-than-adequate understanding of Gods inspirational work and his process of revelation. Or still more, Calvins Geneva? The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel[13] Those 8 questions belong are enough for several threads. J+M+J. Scriptural sufficiency, as always! Because if he repents, you should forgive him. After 30 minutes of accusations, he responds not with a dissertation, but with maybe a single paragraph worth of words, mostly from scripture, and always ending with a question that is not intended to be answered, but something to be contemplated on. If the author continues writing, the canon changes with the completion of each project. Let me share with you one of the Rules of Strider for Apologetics (and I am making this up off the top of my head): As Francis03 posted near the top of this thread, those pictures represent 2,000 ugly words. I have not gone off on a tangent, though you have. Please give a specific example. For a man who supposedly has wife and children I just wonder about his use of time. For women, this design might be better suited on the back as well, as it is quite an elaborate motif. I am jaded when it comes to religion because there is so much of this kind of controversy. Generally it is better for one to air their concerns privately first before going public. Some humble someone mopping a floor in Guam may end up with rewards greater than the most visible believers in human history. Its not a true blog, that part aside, one can email Dr White directly and comments that have come through email are handled by Dr. White or aomin.org staff. If were going to play that game though, please prove to me James White was aware that the pictures would yield said results and that he didnt post them in jest, as on that premise rests all the argument of your wolf criers and alarm monkies. Respond even stronger? 3. Apparently, my dad doesnt count if dad knew computers well enough to do web sites and got wind of this White guy, hed probably set up a forward to a site that tears his arguments to shreds. Admin Country:US James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. Why? I must confess, though, I havent been able to read Berman (Law and Revolution) since he feminized the Holy Spirit. For example, you can choose any other kind of flower that is your favorite, or other colours that match better with your vibe. Likewise, if you use any statement or general observation, there will be an accusation that the surrounding context somehow excused the gaffe, meaning that one has to literally quote every single piece of the entire article, transcript, etc., in ones answer. I dont know what you are asking when you say, did you decide this yourself, or did someone else decide it for you? I am a CatholicI believe in free will, as a gift of God Almighty. Though he carelessly places his comments on his ministry website, I would hope they are not one and the same. The evasion in the answer is obvious. ;^). Whites comments are not something that Ive spent much time on, but clearly he overstepped a line. It is appropriate for fomenting the emotions, certainly, but the issues at hand call for something a great deal more rational. We specialize in cover ups, We are the first and last stop for all ink addictions. #4. 2. Im not fighting with anyone. We are fully aware of that post, seeing as thats the only showing of Guardian so far. nor anything disagreeing with T.U.L.I.P. Enduring hatred far worse than Rome or Central America or China. For one thing Im sure we Catholics agree with a whole lot of his beliefs on basic Christian truths and on many social issues. Can We Trust What the New Testament Says about Jesus and the Gospel? is counted for righteousness. Foxfier defies Aristotillean logic and that does it for me. For my money, there is hardly a dimes worth of difference in approach among most of the sites Ive visited on both sides. Every word they said, every thing they touched, was holy; their bodies had to be preserved and filed past in reverential silence. Either youre accusing Esau of definitely doing what you claim or the backpedalling second comment where you make a presumptuous assumption about Esau then qualify it by saying IF he did it intentionally, then he was a liar. I doubt whether anyone familiar with White thinks hes an idiot in fact. Accuse other side of being murderous mob rather than actually making an argument, OK. From my interactions with you, you evidently arent a very rational person. I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs. Clark Im not interested in buying any bridges. 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